that's going to be more money coming out of the keconomy and going into the government. there's not really a lot of cost savings if you look at the actual numbers from the gao. >> wouldn't coins be easier, especially for smaller transactions? >> well, i think, really, the market has spoken there. npr last year found a billion of these things hitting on shelves in a warehouse somewhere. i think if there was a real benefit to retailers, if there was a benefit to consumers, they wouldn't be sitting there. they'd be in circulation. >> all right. congressman, what about that? dollar coins have been in circulation since the 1700s. modern day consumers have always gravitated toward the bills. if they had the choice, why force the change? >> you notice that you don't go into a store and have a choice between having a paper quarter and a coin quarter. you get the coin quarter. it's the same thing with the dollar bill. the experience in all the countries, every major country that's done this, that once you make the transition, and if you make the transition as rapidly as possible,